SonoSite Titan or Logiqbook XP? Portable ultrasound matchup

In the rapidly growing portable or "Compact ultrasound' market, price drops have recently pitted two systems very close to each other in price; and lately a lot of our customers have been confused as to which machine is for them. And it's true:, for the basic ultrasound user (most of whom are just adding ultrasound to their care options), it can be really confusing as to which system to choose. The basic fact is this: both the Logiqbook XP and SonoSite Titan are solid portable ultrasound machines, but what you'll do with it and who will handle it will likely decide which is best for you. This article will discuss quite a bit, but the best thing to do is call me at 866-347-7633 to make sure you don't make an expensive mistake! 866-347-7633.

A little history: Biosound really led this market that was once designed for mobile ultrasound companies. It was a real niche. The systems were bulky, required a cart, Imaging was mediocre, and the probes were usually mechanical or 'wobblers'. But in the 1999 a little company spun off from ATL called SonoSite. They created a system called the SonoSite 180 that was designed for military use: small, battery-operated and very tough. And so it began. The SonoSite 180 was great for triage and emergency scanning and had a huge "wow" factor. From there, it grew. And so did the compact portable ultrasound market. GE had played on the fringes of this market, but jumped in head-first and took over the market with some really outstanding products. Now GE is the leader with almost too many entries (Vivid i, Vivid e, Voluson i, Logiqbook, Logiqbook XP, Logiq e, Logiq i, etc.) For now, we're going to review the two emerging-market and very popular systems: Logiqbook XP and SonoSite Titan. These hit the market with a bang and still run strong as solid, good imaging systems that can be used in many cases, particularly the emerging fields in which ultrasounds are being applied.

The package

The Titan is lighter, smaller, and has less viewing area. LCD displays are 8.4-inches for the Titan and 10.5 for the Logiqbook XP. The Titan weighs-in at about 8lbs compared to the Logiqbook XP's 10.5 lbs. Both have a carrying handle (the XP's is not visible in the picture because it duals as support in the back of the system in case you'd like to prop it at an angle... A nice touch). Other obvious notes are the keyboards... and this is where the differences are very large and ultimately set the tone for the design and use of these machines:

• The Titan's keyboard is more compact, more direct, and backlit (don't take this for granted particularly if you're going to be scanning in a dark room). The buttons are large and easy to read, although the keyboard is small. It has a trackpad/touchpad device (for which SonoSite is being sued by GE) that is easy to use for measurements and the like. It also has softkey controls along the upper portion of the keyboard and just below the monitor.
  
  
  
• The Logiqbooks XP's keyboard is larger, nearly full-size, and more complex. The buttons are smaller and can be considered easier or harder to use depending on your situation (lighting, how much manipulation you'll do, types of exams, etc.). This is clearly designed more like a console-unit, as it attempts to provide many of the keys available on the larger units... but if you don't use the machine very much, it can be a bit confusing in a dark room or hurried situation. All-in-all, the system does not involve rocket science and definitely easier than those of the previous-generation's full console ultrasound machines circa mid-1990s.

The larger keyboard on the Logiqbook XP also makes another feature stand out: customization. This system is more feature-laden, including Auto Tissue Optimization, better Doppler controls, more measurement controls, better TGC control (arguably), and basically more "stuff". Well, that all sounds great until you scan in a dark room and can't remember where everything is. Good luck because the keyboard is, well, full of a lot of great customization controls and a poorly-lit room can make this tough. Whereas the SonoSite's utilitarian and backlit configuration can be quite nice for one who couldn't care less about the infinite ways of optimizing their 2D, color, and Doppler images (SonoSite provides basic controls and really stuck to their target market). I can't imagine the tremendous fights that went on in the user-interface design room for the Logiqbook XP... utilitarian or 'give 'em everything'. They got most of it right, however, they hid the Tissue Harmonics button that is so prominently displayed on all the other machines... is it because the harmonics aren't good on this machine? Possibly. Read on.

Boot Time

The difference in this was quite surprising. While the XP's boot time is still short compared to some console units, it really appears really slow when paired against the Titan (particularly with impatient people such as myself).

• The SonoSite took 8 seconds to boot and was ready for imaging
• The Logiqbook XP took 1:40 to boot and was ready for imaging

The key difference here is the operating system. The Logiqbook XP runs on Windows XP, which allows it quite a bit of versatility and a reliable, tested operating system ready for wireless, USB compatibility, and saves GE time from developing its own OS. The SonoSite runs its own operating system designed specifically for its "point of care" applications such as Emergency Rooms where speed is more important than flexibility. Again, SonoSite focused hard on its target market and stuck with something lean and fast. GE was probably took a more shotgun broad-audience approach here.

Imaging

Image quality on both machines is quite impressive considering the cost, size, and amount of time these things have been on the market. Both have Tissue Harmonics imaging capabilities... SonoSite, at a glance appears to perform well for penetration (which is the main goal) and Logiqbook's harmonics seem to be better for more superficial imaging. Maybe that's why you must hit CTRL-H in order to turn on harmonics for the Logiqbook (everything else is basically at the touch of a button) ... because its intended function doesn't appear to perform very well.

Overall, we found the penetration to be better on the SonoSite. We were able to scan the carotid of a 300lb man and get good 2D and decent color out of it. We haven't heard many complaints about the penetration with the SonoSite, however, we have had a few comments from our customers from the Logiqbook XP and its limited penetration, particularly in obstetrics and obese patients. To be fair, these comments seem to be based on a higher expectation from those using a full-console unit 90% of the time and using the Logiqbook as a backup unit. I was really quite surprised to see how the penetration lacks when you turn on Harmonics with the Logiqbook XP. This is experienced in abdominal imaging and obstetric imaging... I have not had a chance to take a look with the vascular probe because we recently sold our last one and we need to purchase a replacement. For updates to this, call us at 866-347-7633.

Frame rates in Color Doppler were also surprising with the SonoSite. It responded well with little aliasing in a normal carotid or abdominal study. The Logiqbook was similar, although we didn't test in on a carotid last Friday because we'd sold the linear probe and haven't yet bought its replacement.

Calculations and Measurements

This is a tough call to describe without providing too much bias. Yes, the Logiqbook XP has a much better calculation and measurement package.. However, for most of the users for which the SonoSite is designed, it won't make a huge difference because the basics are there... i.e. if you're only using the system a couple times a week for abdominal, screening, obstetrics or vascular, you really don't need the other stuff. However, you'll get better versatility with the Logiqbook XP. And that goes for the entire system with more customizations for those who like to tweak their images. The XP is more versatile and provides more customization and options, period.

Durability

SonoSite wins here in all ways. Everything on this feels tough. I've heard the stories of salespeople dropping the probe and systems on the floor intentionally to prove how tough these things are. The Logiqbook XP ultrasound definitely feels more like a laptop computer, which you do not want to drop. The probe connectors will give you this same feel; the XP seems a bit flimsy compared to the Titan's lock-and-load type system that keeps the connector hidden beneath the machine. However, if you're going to leave the XP on a cart and move it occassionally from room-to-room, do you really care?

Image storage

Both provide good solutions for connectivity and DICOM, although I'll give the Logiqbook XP an edge because it's definitely more versatile. The Titan gives you the choice of networking or SmartMedia. The XP allows you to use a USB device, wireless and basically anything you would do on your own laptop. Very nice.

Conclusion

It's important to remember that neither of these machines is designed to replace a full console unit, although they do a pretty good job of getting the good stuff in there. These are capable machines, not pieces of crap adapted for a market need. This world is changing and compact ultrasounds are getting darn near the console units (see my previous Voluson e story ). We also love the Logiq e, which has GREAT image quality.

Both the SonoSite and Logiqbook are top-sellers in the market. So how does one decide? Here's how I put it to an internal med doctor last week that inspired this article: You need to decide what you will be doing (what you need), and the decision will present itself. Neither system needs a dedicated procedure room, and both have good carts to which they can be mounted (and easily removed). As an internal medicine doctor, he simply needs to decide how often he'll use it, what types of studies, and who will perform the exams. Answers to these questions will make the answer fairly obvious.

The SonoSite is a great system for those only doing a few exams per week particularly when those ultrasound procedures are not planned in advance. For example, a patient enters a family physician office presenting some abdominal pain. In this situation, simply pull the SonoSite off the shelf and you'll have an image imminently. It'll be a solid image, and likely performed by the doctor who wants to do a quick diagnosis. This is also perfect in Emergency Medicine, Med-Check offices, family practice, internal medicine, and anesthesia.

The Logiqbook XP is something that is more likely to be used by a sonographer or physician with more experience with ultrasound and has a more defined preference in the "look" of their images, presets, and in-general more control over the ultrasound. This system would be found in many of the same places, but has a better fit in an office where patients would likely have their ultrasound scheduled in advance. This allows the system to already be running without too much wait for bootup time. It also requires a better-lit room (until the tech or physician is more comfortable with the user interface) and some basic savvy of ultrasound systems.

Both are very easy to use and learn. For physicians just getting into ultrasound, they should have no problems adapting to either of these systems. They're both very nice. The viewing area didn't seem to have a significant impact on the image quality or evaluating images. Both provide solutions for the doctors to review on their own computer or send to a radiologist.

Overall, you can't really go wrong with either system. Define your needs carefully and the answer to which one is right for you shall present itself. You can also call us at 866-347-7633 for a quote on the system or to get your other thoughts. You can email me as well.

Thanks,
Brian Gill

President, GPS Medical Inc

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Comments

[DocJimATL]

What do these machines cost? You might want to include that in your article. Sent you an email. Good article btw.
Doc Jim,
Atlanta

[Brian Gill (Author)]

These machines start in the high teens for a very basic setup and go all the way in to the $30,000 range for a setup with quite a few probes. Most setups are done somewhere in the $20,000 range. Prices for the Logiqbook XP and Sonosite Titan really depend on warranty, probes, DICOM, and your particular setup.
Thanks,
Brian

[Andre Laliberte]

Which of these machines logiqbook xp (or e) or sonosite titan
would do better for a veterinarian in a general small animal (cats and dogs)practice. That would include cardiac function evaluation as well as abdominal imaging.
What probes would you suggest?

[Brian Gill]

Hello Andre,
We typically sell the Logiqbook XP to veterinarians over the Sonosite Titan. One reason is the Titan used to be more expensive. The Titan would be better if you're not going out to the farm to look at horses or other animals... however, if the ultrasound will stay in the office, I would recommend you stick with the Logiqbook XP ultrasound machine. It's more versatile than the Sonosite Titan and you'll be able to customize it better to your needs. The Titan is much more limited in that scope. The Logiq e might be overkill for you, although it's a superior imaging system, you'll pay about $20,000 more for the Logiq e portable ultrasound. Scott has spoken with more vets about this, so you might want to call him at the office 866-347-7633 x 202 and he should be able to answer more questions.
Thanks,
Brian

[Kenji Sasaki]

Hi, I enjoyed your write up! I may be helping to set up a field med lab in rural africa and power will be provided by solar panels, so every watt-hour counts. What is the general power consumption for these devices? is it lower for Sonosite since they were designed for the military?

thanks,
|Kenji
Pasadena

[Brian Gill]

Hello Kenji,

The power consumption for the SonoSite Titan is listed at 1.2A MAX @ 100VAC. But you can plug the SonoSite Titan simply to charge the battery (maybe during the day?). It can run up to 2 hours off the battery... depending on your screen brightness and what you're using.

This system runs off less of an operating system with less overhead than the other systems out there. The SonoSite sytems boot up so quickly and there are FAR less resources being used by the operating system than the Windows-based systems such as the GE Logiqbook XP, or any of the other GE Logiq portable ultrasounds. Finally, it's a lot easier to use, more durable, and requires less training. I don't know of anything out there that combines these features as the SonoSite does... I would choose the SonoSite Titan or MicroMaxx depending on what you're looking to do.

I hope that answers your question. Thanks,
Brian

[Marc (from Malaysia)]

Dear Brian,

Nice comments on the two systems! Keep up the good work! Just wondering what are the advantages of using Titan or Micromax over Logiqbook in Pediatrics scanning? Thanks a lot! Take care!

Sincerely,
Marc

[EY]

Which Sonosite transducer would be best for vein studies in the legs? And where do you recommend getting one? I am thinking of buying a used Titan from 2005 from a private owner; it looks okay but does anyone have advice about things to watch out for? It's missing a battery and I'm looking for a place to get one. Any feedback appreciated.

Thanks

[Marc Katz]

Hi Brian,

I will be using the ultrasound for imaging and guidance for cryosurgery. I will be localizing nerves in the foot, ankle and leg and also looking for the vasculature. So what would you recommendation be and what do you think of the two units above versus the Medison Pico.

Thanks,

Marc

[Kyle]

Great blog! Very helpful... THANKS

Kyle

[carlos siles]

i have worked alot with GE voluson 730 expert. i feel the penetrance of the GE are limited. We had a problem wiht the probe especially the 3 and 4 D. The beam former card also was a problem. I just lost its strength and we were in the dark. Are these problmes frequent in the logiqbook?

[Brian Gill]

Regarding the Voluson 730, the Logiqbook XP is a very different system, that was actually made by a different manufacturer. Beamformers in the Voluson can be a problem on some systems, but we've found a way to fix them and work out the problems. We haven't has as much trouble with the penetration, but it also depends on what you're looking for, which probe you're using, and which application (OB, GYN, Vascular, etc). The LogiqBook XP is an entirely different platform, but would not have the penetration of the Voluson (typically) in OB applications, although it does a good job for its price.
Overall, though, we have very few problems with the LogiqBook XPs.

[ananthy]

hi.iam confuse in choosing between the two.for an obstetrician which would you suggest.bye

[Leo Stewart]

Great Blog. The BIG thing to consider before purchasing a Titan is this. I have a 4 yr old Titan which I love but just bought a new computer with Vista. The engineers tell me it should work. Unfortunately I cannot get the u/s images out of the Titan to my new computer. Sonosite says they have had other complaints but they don't know what the problem is. Must be a problem with the computers and therefore not their problem. In the mean time I am about to lose my job because no one at Sonosite knows how to make the Sitelink software work. Any one have the name of a good attorney? Anyone want a Titan, Works great, CHEAP!!!

[pragati]

Hello

we are interested in buying an portable ultrasound scanner.
can u please give us
1) the vendors information in India for these two systems( Sonosite and logiq book XP).

2) the cost comparison in Rupees.

Thank you.

[Titan poker bonus]

hi.iam confuse in choosing the "right" Titan for me. for an obstetrician which would you suggest.bye

[Brian Gill]

The Titan systems are all similar and don't have as much of the advanced technologies as you'd see in the MicroMaxx. I would assume you would need one with a standard 60mm convex and the endovaginal transducer. Contact me at bgillgps@gmail.com if you have other questions.

[jo]

hi, a friend was using both Titan and Logiqbook and compared that the former's quality image (meaning the Titan) deteriorates after about one year. Is this true? I really want to buy Titan because it's a lot cheaper but afraid this might really happen.

[Marcos Chertman]

I am looking for a system for small parts( Thyroid)I boutgh a GE logiqbook XP(refurbished ) but i found it to be not user friendly and the image is not clear .What are your recommendations?

[Morten Spangsbjerg]

Dear Brian Gill

Can you give me some advice on choosing between 2 products? I have the possibility of either the Mindray M5 (demo model from 2010) and Sonosite Titan (slightly used from 2009). The prices are more or less the same.

The purpose is musculoskeletal scanning in my work as a chiropractor. I am relatively unexperienced in US scanning. I expect to keep the scanner 3-4 years and after that maybe upgrade to a newer model. Besides image quality I value things like resale value, easy external storage (e.g. DICOM), easy use, durability/portability.

Kind regards,
Morten

[Brian Gill]

Hello Morton,

Thanks for writing. The answer to your question of the SonoSite Titan vs The Mindray M5 is quite easy.... if the prices are similar, the Mindray wins hands-down. The imaging is markedly better and the machine is much more versatile in nearly every category imaginable... But most importantly, the image quality is much better with the Mindray over the SonoSite. If the prices are within $5,000, there is no question at all. If it's more of a price difference, I'd say go with the Mindray M5 unless your budget cannot handle it. These should be priced about $10,000 differently.

Please write back if you have any questions. THanks so much for writing!
Brian Gill
President,
GPS Medical, Inc.

[Morten Spangsbjerg]

Hello Brian,

thanks so much for your feedback. With respect to image quality I agree with you. I just wanted your opinion about the "overall package" which I have now with your answer. I'll go ahead with the Mindray. Thanks for your advice. Great site, btw.

Best regards,
Morten

[Chiropractor]

It provides health care professionals with state of the art high-resolution imaging wherever needed for responsive, rapid patient care.
Very nice article!

[Chiropractor]

Great information. thank you for sharing this to us. Let us know if you have more info. to be posted. Thanks!

[Titus]

Hi Brian, can I use one of these sistem for cardiac? I didn't see the CW button on the keybord. Thanks! Titus

[Dr. Hansra]

I am planning to buy Sonosite Titan for portable Echocardiography. How are its reviews in cardiology? Can u suggest any other alternative?

[Dr.Ashwini Rathore]

can you please tell me which company's portable sonography machine will be better for new starter sonologist. also tell me prize. thank you

[Nezhat M Far]

Hi Mr. Brian. Thank you for very comprehensive article.I am a gynecologist, I do about 30-40 endovaginal sonography scanning per day for infertility treatment. I have an old Aloka machine I am interested to buy a portable device. Is there really very much difference between GE logiqbook XP and Mindray? Is the differnce in price explainable?
I appreciate your prompt reply.

[Brian Gill]

Hello Dr. Far,

Yes, there is a large difference between the two systems, and the Mindray is quite a bit better. The LogiqBook XP is considered more of a low-end portable ultrasound while the Mindray M5 is considered a mid-range ultrasound. THe Mindray M5 is a competitor to the GE Logiq e, which is the upgrade/newer model of the GE LogiqBook XP. There is quite a big difference between image quality between the two, and the LogiqBook XP is not being made any longer. They are all refurbished units. SO, the difference in price is definitely warranted. Plus, the Mindray will come with a long warranty and the LogiqBook XP is only available refurbished and has a shorter warranty (adding a longer warranty increases the price too). I hope that helps.
Thanks,
Brian Gill, President, GPS Medical, Inc.
bgillgps@gmail.com
http://www.gpsmed.com

[Dr Jagdish]

hello Mr Brian
i am looking for an ultrasound machine for obs-gyn,abdomen scanning along with echo. My budget is about 7 to 10 lakh rupees.can you please suggest me an appropriate machine.
thank you
DR Jagdish